It's high new.

There we go.

Yes, you kill it with the whistle.

Yeah, there's a tumbleweed drifting, you know, there's a there's an old

guy sitting on a porch and his name is Jamsenweed or something like that

Got a big old rifle rested against his rocking chair and it noon, obviously, as you can tell from that wonderful inio Moricone there,

which means there most automatically be a gunfight, right?

Because it's the Wild West?

Oh, yeah. Not really, apparently. Yeah, a lot less than one might think.

If you're like most people, the phrase, the Wild West gives you those images that you are just describing Ben, gunfights, tumbleweeds

rolling down the streets, you know, criminals going for the big bank hikes, etc. You know, bad guys in black hats, good guys in white ones,

saloon doors swinging, you know, with a tricky trigger fingers

just ready to draw on your enemy.

Yeah, it turns out that although we in the United States make a huge, huge deal out of the Wild West. It was actually a pretty short stretch of time and

didn't... way more chill than the movies make it seem.

Exactly.

I don't know.

Maybe we could just keep this intro a little short because this one really,

you just got to kind of hear it to believe it.

So what do you say we jump right in?

To the Wild West was actually pretty chill.

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