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Clarity, Confusion, Unity: Unpacking the conclave’s code words

Jesuitical

America Media

Spirituality, Christianity, News, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality

4.8949 Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. Our editors are on the ground in Rome covering the conclave to elect the next pope.  In today’s episode, the team discusses: - The controversial presence at the pre-conclave meetings of Cardinal Becciu, convicted of embezzlement, and Cardinal Cipriani, who was sanctioned by the Vatican for alleged sexual abuse - The topics emerging in the cardinals’ secret meetings - How “unity” and “clarity” are becoming buzzwords for reversing Francis’ style of governance This episode features: - Sebastian Gomes, America’s executive editor of audio and video - Colleen Dulle, co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast - Gerard O’Connell, Vatican correspondent and co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast - Ashley McKinless, executive editor and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast - Zac Davis, director of digital strategy and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast - Sam Sawyer, S.J., America’s editor in chief  Sign up for America’s subscriber-exclusive “Conclave Diary” daily newsletter and get all of our extensive coverage at: AmericaMagazine.org/Subscribe Links from the show:  - What Pope Francis taught us: Church teaching finds clarity and power in acts of mercy - Cardinal Becciu will not participate in conclave following dispute over right to vote - As Cardinals Prepare to Elect a Pope, One Motto Is ‘Unity.’ That’s Divisive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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Join us in building a brighter future for communities

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on the margins. Donate, advocate, and pray with us at American Jesuits international.org.

0:35.6

Welcome to America Magazine's Conclave Podcast.

0:39.3

I'm Sebastian Goem's an executive editor at America.

0:42.4

We're doing something a little bit different for the conclave.

0:45.4

We have a team here on the ground and we're producing a podcast episode every single day,

0:50.5

covering the news, what's happening around the pre-conclave meetings of the Cardinals. And then we're

0:55.4

also having longer, more in-depth conversations. We're picking a big topic, something that everybody is

1:01.9

curious about. And hopefully we'll inform you a little bit about the conversations happening here

1:06.3

and will also help you process this historic moment in the life of the Catholic Church.

1:12.2

So today we'll be discussing what the Cardinals are discussing, and that is, namely,

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what characteristics they are looking for in the next Pope.

1:21.2

If you've read any of the news lately, some Cardinals floated the idea that what the church

1:25.1

really needs now is a unity candidate,

1:27.9

someone who can keep the church together unified after Pope Francis's historic papacy

1:33.6

that opened up so many conversations about contentious topics,

1:37.7

some of which many Catholics presumed were closed.

1:41.2

So, was confusion or a lack of clarity a particular failing of Pope Francis?

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What does it mean when Cardinals say, we need a Pope that speaks clearly, or someone who can

1:51.3

unify a divided church? But before we get to the big conversation, we want to look at the

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