This is the Sporkfall. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week

on our show we obsess about food to learn more about people and we're coming to you live

from Sirius XM Studios in New York City. Thank you all so much for being here for this

special taping at Sirius XM. Holiday baking season is upon us, so it's the perfect

time to turn to today's guest who's one of the internet's most beloved baking stars

and one of America's foremost dessert evangelists. She's the host of the YouTube channel

dessert person, the former host of Bon Appetit's gourmet makes, and she's the author of two

cookbooks, dessert person and the brand new What's for dessert? Simple recipes for dessert

people, please welcome Claire Safitts. So welcome. Thank you. It's great to see you. You too.

Congratulations on the new cookbook. Thank you. Let's just start off by setting up sort of

your philosophy on dessert and baking. Yes. You've said that you wrote your first cookbook

dessert person to celebrate and defend your love of desserts. Yes. Why does your love

of desserts need defending? So that book came out a couple years ago and I had come from

working in food media for years where I felt like I was around people who kind of turned

their nose up at dessert. Like savory got all the love and sweets were just sort of

for people who like had lower sort of taste levels in a way. And I was like, that's not

fair at all dessert is part of the meal and people that love baking and love sweets.

We should celebrate that. And now, you know, I'm on my second book just came out and now

it's like I have so kind of left that behind. It's like I'm so far in sort of my own acceptance

of my own tastes that I just am here to celebrate it. Like I don't even, it doesn't even

occur to me to defend it anymore in a sense. Well, that seems like progress. Yeah, definitely.

But what changed? I think, I mean, I think a few things changed. I think I sort of became

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