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Morning, glory America, Bolger High Canada. I'm Hugh Hewitt. That music means the Hillsdale Dialogues

arrived. Dr. Larry on President of Hillsdale College joins me as he does most weeks. We talk about

great men, great ideas, and occasionally great issues of the day. This week, though, we are back

in 1911 and Winston Churchill has taken control of the Admiralty. And we are in chapter four of

this book, Winston Churchill, the World Crisis Volume One, 1911 to 1914, specifically chapter four,

and we're going to talk about four admirals. It's the title of the chapter is Admiral Zoll,

and the four admirals are Fisher, Wilson, Jellico, and Battenberg, and I hope to get to them all.

Dr. Ron, this is a fabulous chapter. I mean, it's a book. It could just be reissued in the

Atlantic next month, and people would learn from it. Yeah, he's, you know, this is, it's right,

that you have to stop and look at it from Churchill's point of view, which by the way, he doesn't dwell

on himself. He's very good about writing books that are all about himself, but, but,

explicitly, he meets these guys, right? And the Royal Navy is the greatest military service

in the world, and has been that for hundreds of years, right? And these are the people who are

at the top of it. And when he first comes in, he makes adjustments in the rank and order of

promotion right there at the top. And he's a cavalry officer. He's not a sailor. Right. Yeah,

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