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The Russell Moore Show

Christine Emba on the Fantasy of Porn’s Harmlessness

The Russell Moore Show

Christianity Today, Russell Moore

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8914 Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Even where nobody talks about it, porn is everywhere--so much so that many, even those who think it's immoral, have concluded that it's an inextricable part of 21st century digital culture. But what if that attitude is leading us to levels of brokenness we never even imagined? In this episode, Christine Emba joins Russell to talk about what she calls a “quiet catastrophe”: the normalization of pornography in an era marked by loneliness and disconnection. Drawing from her widely read New York Times essay, “The Delusion of Porn’s Harmlessness,” Emba offers a pointed and profound look at what pornography is doing not just to our minds, but to our relationships, our desires, and our sense of self. Emba and Moore explore why the idea of intimacy feels threatening, and how a generation raised on digital pleasure might struggle to imagine and practice real relational connection. They also talk about how porn shapes our expectations of each other, why Christians often mishandle this issue, and what it might look like to recover a deeper, more beautiful ethic of intimate relationships. Emba even shares ways she sees society combatting our perceived defeat and possible despair when it comes to AI’s influence on porn–and the good news is, she has a positive outlook. This is not a frantic conversation about culture war panic. It’s a thoughtful and sobering conversation about what kind of restoration is possible when desire is distorted, but not beyond healing. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: C.S. Lewis letters, Yours, Jack: Spiritual Direction from C.S. Lewis “The Delusion of Porn’s Harmlessness” by Christine Emba (The New York Times) Rethinking Sex: A Provocation by Christine Emba Kate Julian’s “The Sex Recession” (The Atlantic) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The bigger downside of pornography is that it makes us see other people as less than human.

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The ideal situation is one in which we are still continually asking ourselves.

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How do we treat the other with dignity?

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Hello, this is Russell Moore, and this is the Russell Moore show brought to you by Christianity today.

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Here, we look for signposts in a strange time by standing fast to what really matters.

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Kingdom over culture wars, truth over tribalism, pilgrimage over partisanship, sanity over cynicism, witness over winning,

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and Christ over everything. Today we have a conversation to do just that.

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A listener wrote in about a reference that I made on this show about C.S. Lewis's letters

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dealing with this recurrent problem of people saying, I don't know if I'm really a believer.

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I don't know what my state is with God and his attempting to reassure them through that.

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Also, though, in those letters, were a lot of counsel and spiritual direction

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for people who were grappling with the mid-20th century version of porn.

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And that's what we're going to be talking about today.

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And what I have found in my

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experience is that often these two things are connected, especially it seems when I'm talking to a

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young man who is saying to me, I don't know where I am spiritually. I don't know where I stand with

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God. Maybe eight times out of 10, it ends up being a

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conversation about porn. And what I want to talk about today is about the way that pornography

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