Welcome to Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

Theology at Biola University. I'm your host, Sean McDowell, Professor of Apologetics.

I'm your co-host Scott Ray, Dean of the Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

Today we're going to talk a conversation just the two of us about a topic that's become more and more prominent in the Christian culture today and even larger than the Christian culture.

Some of it has to do with our last administration we had in the presidency and questions that it raises about kind of

of the intersection between the Christian faith and the American story and it's

called Christian nationalism.

Why don't we just start Scott

by coming up with a definition of what we mean

by Christian nationalism?

Because what I found is when people ask me,

are you a Christian nationalist?

Do you believe in Christian nationalism?

I ask people what they mean, and I get such a range of confusion.

Some people think it's just being patriotic. Some people think it's going into the military.

It typically is a derogatory term, but why don't we just start off and define what we even mean by Christian nationalism?

Well, you've, Sean, I think you've put the most difficult question out there right at the start.

I think that is the toughest part of this because one is there are lots of

definitions out there some are more what I would call more more jingoistic than others.

But I think that what makes the definition hard

is that there are lots of adherence for whom

their adherence to Christian nationalism is more a visceral emotional attachment

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