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🗓️ 18 October 2025
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Mike revisits his 2019 conversation with Senator Chris Murphy on the AUMF — the two-decade-old law still used to justify U.S. military strikes from Yemen to the Caribbean. Plus, a new strike on a Venezuelan vessel raises questions about presidential authority and transparency. We trace how "temporary" wartime powers became permanent policy, and what it would take for Congress to reclaim its constitutional role.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where we do one from the vault and one from the week. |
| 0:08.1 | And this week, and this is going to be the spiel I play for you, I talked about the bombing. |
| 0:13.4 | It was the sixth bombing or strike against a vessel in the Caribbean, a vessel that the Trump |
| 0:20.5 | administration claims was spreading |
| 0:23.2 | drugs. |
| 0:24.2 | They killed, well, this is an update, in fact. |
| 0:27.2 | The original reporting was that five or six died in this strike, but now it comes out that the |
| 0:36.3 | U.S. military is holding two survivors |
| 0:38.6 | who were rescued from that suspected drug vessel. I'm sure we'll get their testimony and |
| 0:45.8 | take it seriously if they deny being drug dealers. Another development in the story is that |
| 0:50.6 | U.S. Navy Admiral Alvin Halsey, not Admiral Halsey, famous from having psoriasis in |
| 0:57.2 | World War II and being in a Paul McCartney song, but Alvin Halsey, who commanded the U.S. |
| 1:03.8 | Southern Command, he's out. I think it was because he didn't like all these strikes that you can |
| 1:10.0 | argue are done without proper authorization. |
| 1:13.5 | And that brings us to our one from the vault. |
| 1:16.0 | In 2019, I interviewed Senator Chris Murphy, and I wanted specifically, there's always a lot to talk to a senator about, but I wanted to talk with him about something that he had been pressing on, and this was 2019, |
| 1:29.1 | the AUMF, that is the authorization for the use of military force. |
| 1:35.1 | And in 2001, and again in 2002, another version was passed allowing the United States |
| 1:40.5 | to strike out against terrorists and al-Qaeda and the 2002 one was allowing the war |
| 1:46.0 | in Iraq to continue or to proceed. And it hasn't been updated. And for loathies now, |
| 1:53.0 | quarter of a century now, this has been the justification for all these military strikes |
| 1:58.7 | throughout the world. Maybe not necessarily the one we saw in the |
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