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The Doctor's Art

Choosing Happiness (with John Leland)

The Doctor's Art

Henry Bair and Tyler Johnson

Medicine, Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Philosophy

5 • 2.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

In 2015, New York Times journalist John Leland set out to follow the lives of six people over the age of 85. What John learned shattered his preconceived notions about aging, loneliness, and loss. The resulting 2018 book, Happiness is a Choice You Make, became an international bestseller and delved into how these older individuals found wisdom and joy in the later stages of life. In this episode, John joins us to discuss the transformational exploration he undertook and lessons on living well he has discovered from this journey.


In this episode, you will hear about:

  • How a college music reviewer came to write for The New York Times - 1:41
  • How John’s exploration of aging began when he was initially—reluctantly—assigned to write a series of articles on old age and retirement - 5:04
  • Reflections on how John’s expectations of aging — including loss, sadness, loneliness — were transformed over the course of this writing project - 9:01
  • How John discovers his interview subjects - 11:38
  • A discussion of John’s book, Happiness is a Choice You Make, and the lessons he learned from his subjects -14:44
  • Advice to young clinicians on finding moments of happiness in their careers - 26:19
  • John’s surprising realization that elders are not “depressed all the time” - 33:53
  • A discussion of John’s recent article, in which he was documents the last days of Shatzi Weisberger, a nurse and prominent death educator - 36:53
  • Reflections on how John’s relationships with older adults have changed his perception of death - 40:07
  • Advice to clinicians on how they can better help older patients connect with what makes their lives meaningful - 45:03

John Leland is the author of the book Happiness is a Choice You Make: Lessons from a Year Among the Oldest Old.

He is also a staff writer at the New York Times. In this episode we discussed his articles How Loneliness is Damaging Our Health, and She Preached About Death Without Fear. Could She Practice it?

You can follow John Leland on Twitter @JohnLeland.

Visit our website www.TheDoctorsArt.com where you can find transcripts of all episodes.

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Henry Bear.

0:03.4

And I'm Tyler Johnson.

0:04.8

And you're listening to the Doctors' Art, a podcast that explores meaning in medicine.

0:09.9

Throughout our medical training and career, we have pondered, what makes medicine meaningful?

0:15.2

Can a stronger understanding of this meaning create better doctors?

0:18.8

How can we build healthcare institutions that nurture the doctor-patient connection?

0:23.1

What can we learn about the human condition from accompanying our patients in times of suffering?

0:28.0

In seeking answers to these questions, we meet with deep thinkers working across healthcare,

0:33.1

from doctors and nurses to patients and healthcare executives, those who have collected a career's worth of harder and wisdom.

0:40.2

Proving the moral heart that beats at the core of medicine, we will hear stories that are by turns heartbreaking,

0:45.6

amusing, inspiring, challenging, and enlightening.

0:49.3

We welcome anyone curious about why doctors do what they do.

0:52.9

Join us as we think out loud about what illness and healing can teach us about some of life's biggest questions.

1:02.8

In 2015, New York Times journalist John Layland set out to follow the lives of six people all over the age of 85.

1:11.4

What John learned shattered his expectations about aging, loneliness, and loss.

1:16.7

The resulting book, Happiness is a choice you make, became an international bestseller, and delved into how these elderly individuals found wisdom and joy in the later stages of life.

1:27.6

In this episode, John joins us to discuss the transformational exploration he undertook and lessons on living well he has gleaned from this journey.

1:36.5

John, thanks for being here and welcome to the show.

1:39.6

Oh, thanks for having me.

1:41.5

Virtually all of the guests we've had on the podcast are involved in the medical field in some capacity.

1:47.9

You, however, are not.

1:50.3

So can you tell us how you found your calling in journalism and how you became a reporter at the New York Times?

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