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China Understands How to Deal with Trump, Why Don't America's Leaders?

The DSR Network

Chris Cotnoir

Government

4.51.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

On Thursday, President Trump is going to meet with Xi Jinping for the first time since his reelection and following months of rising tension between the two countries. Where do US-China relations stand? Who has the upper hand? Melanie Hart, Senior Director of the Atlantic Council's Global China Hub, joins David Rothkopf, Rosa Brooks, and Ed Luce to discuss their expectations for the meeting and the future of America's foreign policy towards China. Looking for More from the DSR Network? Click Here: https://linktr.ee/deepstateradio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

9, 12, 10, 28, 2, 23.

0:17.0

This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

0:35.1

Hello and welcome to DSR this week as every week. We are here to talk about what's going on in the world. Hello and welcome to DSR this week as every week.

0:38.7

We are here to talk about what's going on in the world.

0:42.3

I'm David Rothkopf, your host.

0:44.3

We are joined by two of our great and esteemed regulars,

0:48.7

Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center.

0:51.2

How are you doing, Rosa?

0:53.4

I'm excellent, David. Excellent. Thank you. I'm glad to hear that.

0:58.4

And Ed Luce of the Financial Times, how are you doing, Ed? Never better, thank you.

1:03.8

Never better. That's a bold. We're also joined by a new friend here. Melanie Hart is Senior Director of the Atlantic Council's Global China Hub.

1:14.4

Prior to joining the Council, Hart worked at the U.S. Department of State,

1:18.9

where she served as Senior Advisor for China in the Office of the Undersecretary for Economic Growth, energy, and the environment.

1:28.3

And for those of you who are following along in your newspapers, you can probably guess

1:33.5

that the reason that Melanie is here is because on Thursday, President Trump is going to meet

1:41.2

with President Xi, and they are already intimating, A, possibilities

1:48.6

of a deal, although what the U.S. is saying and what China is saying slightly different,

1:52.9

B, the possibilities of another meeting early next year, and even bigger deals. But rather than rely on nameless analyses,

2:07.9

why do we turn to Melanie and say,

2:10.6

what are your expectations?

2:14.7

Sure, so glad to be joining you all.

2:36.1

You know, they've announced that the presidents will be meeting basically around 11 p.m. tonight, our time here in D.C., 11 a.m., South Korea time Thursday. And my expectations is that they will have the meeting. I don't think we'll have another round of the will they, won't they break up, get back together over the next 12 or so

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