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Sinica Podcast

China, Russia, and the U.S.: Does the 'strategic triangle' still matter?

Sinica Podcast

Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8676 Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2021

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Have China and Russia entered into a de facto anti-American alliance? Is Russia, which in Soviet days was for a time the “older brother” to Mao’s China, now comfortable with playing junior partner to Xi’s China? And has the United States, which in its opening to China demonstrated formidable acuity in managing the “strategic triangle,” now jettisoned that model and its logic? This week on Sinica, Kaiser is joined by Ali Wyne, a senior analyst with Eurasia Group's Global Macro practice, to discuss the motivations, the capabilities, and the strategies of Beijing and Moscow in their dealings with Washington — and with each other.

3:54: What of the rules-based international order?

15:04: The relationship between China and Russia

27:35: Inflection points in the early 2000s

48:52: Strategies and tactics employed by China and Russia 

Recommendations:

Ali: Stronger: Adapting America's China Strategy in an Age of Competitive Interdependence, by Ryan Hass, and the documentary series Chasing Life, by Sanjay Gupta. 

Kaiser: The audiobook for The Committed, written by Viet Thanh Nguyen and narrated by Francois Chau.

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0:00.0

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0:14.4

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0:21.2

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0:25.9

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0:31.9

We cover everything from China's fraught foreign relations to its ingenious entrepreneurs,

0:36.1

from the ongoing repression of Uyghurs

0:37.9

and other Muslim people in China's Xinjiang region, to China's ambitious effort to eliminate poverty.

0:43.6

It's a feast of business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world.

0:49.5

I'm Kaisa Guo, coming to today from Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

0:53.6

In the late 1960s, the United States,

0:56.3

mired in Vietnam, faced with mounting Soviet advances in post-colonial Africa and in the Middle

1:01.2

East, watching as the Kremlin put a quick end to the Prague Spring in 68, the U.S. began a deft

1:07.1

set of diplomatic moves calculated to balance Soviet power by signaling the possibility

1:11.7

of an opening to China. And in doing so, not only making a relaxation of tensions with the Soviet

1:17.2

Union possible, the period of detente, which lasted from about 69 to the Soviet invasion

1:22.7

of Afghanistan in about 1980, but also signaling to Hanoi that it wouldn't enjoy the unconditional backing of

1:30.6

Moscow and Beijing and that it should probably, you know, hurry up and negotiate with the U.S.

1:35.2

Of course, this was made a bit easier by the fact that China and the Soviet Union were then

1:39.1

at one another's throats.

1:40.9

They actually had bloody skirmishes on the Amur River in 69, and Mao was convinced that a

1:46.3

nuclear strike by Moscow was imminent. There were, of course, other reasons for the opening to China.

1:51.5

Kissinger believed that by entangling China in a network of connections to the U.S.

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