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China and Australia: The standoff

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The Times

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3.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2020

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

The last two reporters working in China for Australian media have flown home after a drawn out diplomatic standoff. Their exit means for the first time since the mid-1970s, there are no accredited Australian journalists in the country. Why have relations between Australia and China deteriorated?


Guests: 

Bernard Lagan, The Times Australia correspondent. 

Mike Smith, China correspondent for the Australian Financial Review. 


Host: Manveen Rana. 


Clips used: Channel, BBC, ABC News.

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0:00.0

A few weeks ago in downtown Shanghai as the neon festoon city glowed in middle of the night.

0:09.8

An Australian journalist was woken up by a knock at the door.

0:15.0

I ran downstairs, I'm still half asleep, didn't know what was going on and I opened the door.

0:21.0

There were seven sort of uniformed police standing on my front. the door.

0:25.0

but it was seven sort of uniformed police standing on my front doorstep.

0:26.0

But it wasn't the police.

0:28.0

It was much more alarming.

0:30.0

It was Chinese state security.

0:36.0

I thought, oh my God, they've come to take me away.

0:38.0

I'm going to disappear into a prison somewhere.

0:41.0

It was quite terrifying.

0:42.8

As journalists become the latest pawns in a diplomatic feud, how bad are tensions between Australia and China?

0:51.2

There are now no ministerial exchanges between Australia and China. There are now no ministerial exchanges between Australia and China. So we're

0:55.2

in the position, our largest trading partner, none of their ministers will talk to us, let alone,

0:59.6

allow us to go and see them. Doesn't happen. We don't have a relationship anymore, which is the

1:04.2

strangest place of being. Where do the two countries go from here? Is there a way back?

1:09.8

You're listening to stories of our times, from the Times and the Sunday Times.

1:15.0

I'm Manveen Rana.

1:16.9

Today, the curious case of the disappearing journalists.

1:33.8

Two Australian reporters are back on home soil tonight after a tense five-day diplomatic standoff in China.

1:35.2

Mike Smith back in Australia and clearly relieved.

1:38.9

Very disappointing to have to leave under those circumstances and it's a relief to be back in a country with genuine rule of law.

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