Chimène Keitner on South Africa, Israel, and the Genocide Convention
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 17 January 2024
⏱️ 59 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
Chimène Keitner is the Martin Luther King Jr. Professor of Law at the University of California at Davis. She is a leading international law authority and served for a number of years at the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser. She is the author of a lengthy piece in Lawfare about South Africa's petition under the Genocide Convention against Israel in the International Court of Justice.
Chimène joined Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes to talk about the litigation. What is South Africa's claim under the Genocide Convention? What is Israel's defense? Where are both sides vulnerable? And how will the court likely consider the matter at this preliminary stage?
Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | The following podcast contains advertising. |
| 0:04.0 | To access an ad-free version of the Lawfair Podcast, |
| 0:08.0 | become a material supporter of Lawfair at Patreon.com slash Lawfair. That's Patreon.com |
| 0:16.4 | slash Lawfair. Also check out Lawfair's other podcast offerings, rational security, chatter, lawfare no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:30.0 | If you care about the state of the world and want to set it on a better course, we have a solution that may be somewhat surprising. |
| 0:39.0 | Work in finance. At CFA Institute, our programs and courses are deeply rooted in ethical perspective. |
| 0:46.0 | But we don't just teach. |
| 0:48.0 | We create codes of conduct and impact key policy issues with global governments and regulators. |
| 0:54.1 | To join a global network of investment professionals, |
| 0:57.2 | visit CFA Institute.org slash set the standard today. When and if we get to a merit stage, there is also language in the court's jurisprudence suggesting that to find genocide on the merits, |
| 1:18.0 | that genocidal intent needs to be the only explanation or the only possible explanation. |
| 1:24.1 | And so there is a disconnect, certainly, |
| 1:26.9 | between the legal framework or the legal test |
| 1:30.1 | at this preliminary stage |
| 1:31.9 | and the legal test that would apply at what we call the merit stage. |
| 1:37.0 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the Law Fair Podcast January 17th, 2, 2024. |
| 1:44.0 | Sheman Kitener is the Martin Luther King Jr. |
| 1:48.0 | Professor of Law at the University of California at Davis. She is a leading international law authority and served |
| 1:58.9 | for a number of years at the State Department Legal Advisors Office. |
| 2:04.0 | She is the author of a lengthy piece today on law fair about South Africa's petition under the Genocide Convention against Israel in the International Court of Justice, |
| 2:17.0 | it is that rare thing, a sober and dispassionate look at a subject that has lots of people running around waving their hands in the air. |
| 2:27.0 | Shimen joined me in the virtual jungle studio to talk about the litigation, what South Africa's claim is under the |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Lawfare Institute, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of The Lawfare Institute and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

