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We Can Do Hard Things

Cheryl Strayed Tells Us What the Hell to Do Next (Best Of)

We Can Do Hard Things

Glennon Doyle & Audacy

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.841.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 June 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

How to end a relationship lovingly, how to love an addict, and how to keep surprising yourself in midlife (buy the tap dancing shoes). Plus, why Cheryl decided to cut down her drinking.  For our past episodes with Cheryl, listen to ⁠Episode 118 Cheryl Strayed: Don’t Let Your Dreams Ruin Your Life⁠ and ⁠Episode 119 It’s Okay to Want What You Want: Cheryl Strayed as Dear Sugar⁠. For the Amanda episode Cheryl mentioned, listen to ⁠Episode 177 How to Face Your Biggest Fears with Amanda Doyle⁠. About Cheryl: Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which has sold more than 4 million copies worldwide and was made into an Oscar-nominated film. Her bestselling collection of Dear Sugar columns, Tiny Beautiful Things, was adapted for a Hulu television show that will be released in April. In 2016, the book was adapted as a play that continues to be staged in theaters around the world. Strayed is also the author of the critically acclaimed novel, Torch, and the bestselling collection Brave Enough. She lives in Portland, Oregon. TW: ⁠@CherylStrayed⁠ IG: ⁠@cherylstrayed To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yay!

0:11.1

Cheryl Strait is back.

0:15.5

Cheryl Strad is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller Wilde, from Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which has sold more than four million copies worldwide and was made into an Oscar-nominated film starring Lee's Witherspoon.

0:32.1

Her best-selling collection of Dear Sugar Columns, Tiny Beautiful Things, one of my favorites, was adapted for a newly released

0:39.2

television show starring Catherine Hahn and is available now for streaming on Hulu.

0:45.1

Strait is also the author of the critically acclaimed novel Torch and the best-selling collection

0:49.7

Brave Enough.

0:50.9

She lives in Portland, Oregon.

0:53.1

And if you have not listened to our first episodes

0:56.2

with Cheryl, they were amazing. So go back and check out episodes 118 and 119. I love you so much.

1:06.0

You know this. And I'm now even more obsessed. And I have to say Amanda, one of my favorite episodes is like the All About Amanda episode.

1:14.9

Did you relate to that one, Cheryl?

1:17.2

I did.

1:17.8

Well, namely because I have spent my life as a flirt, too.

1:21.3

But I have to say, I'm reformed.

1:24.5

And I'm more like Abby now because you can only play with fire for so long,

1:28.9

kids, without getting burned. Yeah. This is a follow-up episode I need to have with you.

1:35.6

But Abby, you know, what Abby said, I was like, oh, I so relate to that. That idea of like,

1:41.6

you know, here we are launching into this flirtation thing. I'm sure that's not what you guys wanted to talk about right off the back. Yeah, it is. We love it.

1:48.0

It's what I want to talk about, Cheryl. Yeah. But like what Abby was saying was like you realized like, okay, you've got to flirt responsibly. You know, the energy. People misinterpret it. Yeah. That's right. Flirts responsibly. I feel like that's kind of like drink

2:04.6

responsibly. Some of us can. Some of us never can again. That's true. That's true. So mad at everyone who can

2:11.8

drink responsibly. If I were not an alcoholic, Cheryl, I would drink every damn day.

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