Cheating Isn't Black and White feat. Esther Perel

Girls Gotta Eat

Ashley Hesseltine and Rayna Greenberg

Society & Culture, Comedy

4.5 • 29.6K Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

We are re-releasing one of our most beloved and impactful interviews with the iconic Esther Perel, with a fresh intro (plus never before seen footage for the video version). The renowned psychotherapist and author joins us to talk about relationships, sexuality, and infidelity. We cover cheating in depth, including why it occurs, why it hurts so badly, how to trust again, and whether relationships can come back from infidelity. And we're also discussing the expectations we put on our partners nowadays, why they may not be realistic, and how to navigate this for a healthy relationship. Enjoy! Follow Esther on Instagram at @EstherPerelOfficial, and visit https://www.estherperel.com/. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for live show tickets and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Bilt: Get points by paying rent at https://joinbilt.com/gge. Better Help: Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/gge. Helix: Get 20% off at https://helixsleep.com/gge. Smart Mouth: Get a special discount on your next SmartMouth purchase at www.smartmouth.com/GGE. Columbia Sportswear: Head to https://www.columbia.com/ to get your hands on an Amaze Puff Jacket. Saks Fifth Avenue: Head to Saks Fifth Avenue or saks.com for inspiring ways to elevate your personal style. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	And that's when you say it is not black and white, it is not good and bad, it is not the perpetrator and the victim.
0:06.6	It's a little more complicated.
0:08.9	And since it happens in so many of our families, we have got to make room for these nuances and not just go quick for the judgment.
0:16.8	Music This podcast is a dear media production.
0:35.0	Hi guys. Welcome back to sort of another episode of Girls Gotta Eat.
0:40.0	A very important re-released episode.
0:42.5	Becomes.
0:43.5	Because I'm married, you guys, apparently.
0:46.5	Well, you never know.
0:47.6	Who's to say?
0:48.4	We still have 10 days.
0:50.8	Almost two weeks.
0:51.6	We're recording this before.
0:53.4	Obviously, we were not going to drop a new episode the Monday after my wedding.
0:58.9	I think you'll get married.
1:00.0	So Sparkle-Eyes is in the room with us.
1:01.5	Do you think you're going to go through with it?
1:02.7	Do you want to pop in?
1:03.6	Nope.
1:04.8	No on both.
1:06.9	Proof that men can only answer one question at a time.
1:10.2	So we are going to have him on and recap the wedding on November 17th.
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