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🗓️ 12 June 2022
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When the term "intelligence" comes up regarding an organization, most of us immediately think of government institutions. And there's a good reason for that: nation-states have become the centers of the most prominent intelligence collection, analysis, and direct action. But that's far from the whole story. Increasingly, corporations are developing intelligence units of their own to uncover and assess threats to their personnel and facilities, analyze geopolitical and environmental risks that might affect their business prospects, and even take actions traditionally associated with governments.
In this episode of Chatter, David Priess chats about all of this and more with Lewis Sage-Passant, who has built on his experiences in British military intelligence, private sector intelligence, crisis management, and related PhD research to explore the history, evolution, and ethics of this intriguing and challenging domain. They discuss the long history of private sector intelligence efforts, the difficulty disentangling early commercial efforts from government purposes, the fabled Pinkertons in the United States, the development of intelligence around modern corporations, the ethical issues that arise in this realm—and James Bond.
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| 1:30.2 | Today's chatter episode is entitled Private Sector Intelligence with Lewis Sage Passant. |
| 1:36.0 | In this episode, Pries sat down with Lewis Sage Passant to discuss the long history of private |
| 1:41.5 | sector intelligence efforts, the difficulty disentangling early commercial efforts from government |
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| 2:12.1 | This week, Lewis Sage Passant on private sector intelligence. |
| 2:19.2 | There is no guidebook on how to do this. |
| 2:21.8 | In my interviews, I found that only 3.5% of practitioners would cite industry standards as having |
| 2:28.6 | anything to do with the ethics of their job. |
| 2:31.6 | A lot of companies start along this path with good intentions this day. |
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