Chatter: New Cold Wars with Journalist David Sanger

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🗓️ 23 April 2024

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

David Sanger has been writing for the New York Times since he graduated from college more than four decades ago. Over that period, Sanger has served as a business correspondent in Silicon Valley, the Times bureau chief in Japan, and has covered the last five presidents—which has given Sanger a front-row seat to U.S. foreign policy for much of the post-Cold War period. It is that experience that informs Sanger’s newest book, “New Cold Wars,” in which Sanger argues—relying on a voluminous and colorful set of interviews with administration officials—that the U.S. has entered two new military, technological, and economic conflicts with Russia and China.

Lawfare Research Fellow Matt Gluck spoke about the book with Sanger. They discussed how the United States slipped into these conflicts through misreading Chinese and Russian geopolitical intentions and how the U.S. is seeking to navigate this new era. They also discussed how close Biden administration officials believed Vladimir Putin was to using a nuclear weapon in the fall of 2022.

For more about David:

His book “New Cold Wars”
David's Twitter Page

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1:05.0	This is Chatter. I'm Matt Gluck.
1:11.0	This week journalist David Sanger on New Cold Wars.
1:15.0	You cannot live in both the American camp and the Chinese camp, which is what
1:22.0	G42 was trying to do.
1:23.6	You can either be in one camp or you can be in the other.
1:26.6	And that has essentially been the policy of the
1:29.8	Biden administration.
1:31.2	The president of the United States was talking about the prospect of the first wartime use of a nuclear weapon since Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
1:42.0	and not at some vague moment in the future.
1:45.6	He meant in the next few weeks.
1:50.4	These new Cold Wars we are in are very different from the old.
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