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Chatter Marks EP 64 A responsibility to be optimistic about the future with Mary Mattingly

Crude Conversations

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Society & Culture

5884 Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2023

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Mary Mattingly is an interdisciplinary artist who builds sculptural ecosystems that address human consumption and resilience, with an underlying theme of how they might play into our ability to preserve through catastrophic events. Two of her past projects — Waterpod and Swale — were barges that periodically docked in certain areas of New York City. Both depended on a level of nomadism and self-sufficiency. She describes Waterpod as a self-sufficient living space on the water that was a shelter, grew its own food, cleaned its own water and was also a space where she could make artwork. Swale came next. It was an edible landscape and it applied many of the skills she’d learned from Waterpod. Things like navigating a large vessel though city waterways and how foraging for fresh foods could work in a city with so many rules and regulations. Her artwork always comes from a personal place. In 2008, after numerous surgeries and trips to the hospital, she was diagnosed with Celiac disease. It was a painful journey. For so long, she didn’t know what was wrong with her. So, the diagnosis was a relief. She finally had a word to attach to what she was experiencing. That’s when she became interested in food. Specifically, she became aware of the inaccessibility to fresh foods — how expensive they are and how many rules and regulations prohibit people from growing their own food in public spaces. At one point, she learned about how a community garden had been shut down due to a real estate development. That was when she realized that spaces like that weren’t protected and could be easily taken away. Her interest in the idea of consumption and resilience goes back to her childhood, when she didn’t always have the things she wanted. She was born in Rockville, Connecticut, but she grew up in Summersville. Both are small towns that are close to nature. She tells this story about how, when she was a kid, she and her siblings would make a game out of running as fast as they could to reach a neighbor’s barn before he let off a warning shot. So, when she moved to New York City, where manmade structures dominate the landscape and overconsumption is common, she began to think about how that affects us, how being so reliant on outside inputs can deprive us of our independence. The sheer scale of the trash cycle in New York City, for example, devastated her. Three nights a week, she would see trash piled up on the sidewalks, sometimes taller than her.

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0:00.0

I'm mostly interested in the process of the art as it evolves and becomes something else.

0:18.0

It's usually not what I intended it to be.

0:22.0

And yeah, so I think that's where it's learning.

0:24.8

And I think I'm also really excited about the idea that a project could go on after

0:32.2

I'm not involved with it anymore and it just has a life of its own.

0:37.9

That's really what drives me.

0:39.9

So maybe less the message because I know that will always be changing and the parameters

0:46.5

of what the message could be will always be changing to like definitions of what's

0:53.6

right and wrong or sort of changing all the time in a way too.

0:59.8

So yeah, I think I'm hopeful that or I'm inspired by projects that continue to change

1:08.5

with their time and don't need the initiators to keep going and to be to keep being relevant

1:15.0

and moving to people.

1:17.8

That was Mary Mattingley.

1:20.0

She's an interdisciplinary artist who builds sculptural ecosystems that address human consumption

1:25.2

and resilience with an underlying theme of how they might play into our ability to preserve

1:31.0

through catastrophic events.

1:33.9

Two of her past projects, Waterpod and Swale were barges that periodically docked in certain

1:40.3

areas of New York City.

1:43.2

Both depended on a level of nomadism and self-sufficiency.

1:48.2

She describes Waterpod as a self-sufficient living space on the water.

1:52.4

That was a shelter, grew its own food, cleaned its own water, and was also a space where

1:58.5

she could make artwork.

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