Chatter Marks EP 130 Cold War cakes with Julia O’Malley
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🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 82 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | So like if you look at all of our sort of relationship to technology, which is like both fascination, maybe even fetish and also fear and technology itself might be kind of a little bit outside of our control as soon as it becomes you know part of the |
| 0:28.9 | Arsenal of another of a warring talk you know like of a power that is opposed to us it becomes outside of our control |
| 0:36.7 | So if we think about all that, |
| 0:39.1 | and then we return to the kitchen and we've got these cake-mix cakes, you know, there is this |
| 0:45.6 | ambivalence for women who are like, well, you know, on one hand, I could make this from scratch, |
| 0:52.4 | but on the other hand, the world is demanding more |
| 0:55.8 | of me also, right, because women are starting to tiptoe into the workforce. So can I bake this |
| 1:03.9 | beautiful cake and also use the time saved, you know, to do something else? So it's just cake actually, it speaks into, I mean, |
| 1:14.4 | a lot of things. Like, that's just one of them. But one of the other papers that I was reading |
| 1:19.3 | was looking at, you know, just cake as, you know, part, kind of in miniature, this kind of technology that people felt |
| 1:33.4 | simultaneously fascinated by and also a little bit scared of. |
| 1:39.7 | That was Julia O'Malley. |
| 1:42.6 | She's a journalist, a cook, a baker, and lately, she's been |
| 1:48.0 | researching and recreating Cold War cakes. During the Cold War era, roughly the decades |
| 1:56.3 | between the end of World War II and the early 1990s, |
| 2:05.7 | cake mix transformed a food once associated with luxury into something democratic, |
| 2:08.2 | something anyone could make at home. |
| 2:12.1 | Julia says that those boxed mixes |
| 2:14.7 | and the recipes people built around them in the 70s and the 80s |
| 2:19.2 | are more than just dessert. They're cultural artifacts that reveal how women navigated creativity, |
| 2:27.3 | expectations, and changing ideas around domestic life. They reflect a moment when women were entering the national conversation |
| 2:36.6 | from within domestic space, |
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