I would imagine that there is a shift that will happen over the next 10, 20 years, and maybe it's already begun, you know, over the last 10, 20 years

that is towards this being in true conversation with learners.

And I think you see it in the changes between in learning theory as well as moving from the stage on stage to the, you know, we're all, we're all co-learning together models of education and learning

theory. And I think museums are part of that conversation and doing really interesting

work in that already. And I think that where it is heading is having more live conversations.

And it's as we want to all be relevant to a global conversation and influential within it museums are incredible resources because they are

very well trusted and they are you know places of authority in people's lives yeah and i think if

if we can navigate that transition together where we retain that authority,

we retain that trust while still bringing people into the process,

that's where the magic can happen in museums in the next bit of time.

That was Mike Radke.

He's the co-founder and executive director of the Ubuntu Lab, a global education

nonprofit that teaches people how to navigate cultural differences with curiosity, humility, and

empathy.

Mike approaches the world with a learner's mindset, believing he almost always has more to learn

than to contribute.

For him, that belief isn't abstract.

It's personal, shaped by years of travel, work in public health and education, and a formative interaction

nearly two decades ago with Archbishop Desmond Tutu in South Africa. The two met after a sermon

in Cape Town, where Tutu spent hours speaking with Mike about his research on post-apartheid reconciliation.

That conversation planted a seed, that forgiveness and collective healing aren't just moral ideals.

They're practical tools for building communities that can hold disagreement, endure pain, and still move forward together.

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