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Chatter Marks EP 111 Rockets, clean energy and the future of Alaska with Ben Kellie

Crude Conversations

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Society & Culture

5884 Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

Ben Kellie is an entrepreneur, a writer and someone who’s spent a lot of time thinking about how to build things that matter. He grew up in Alaska, learning to fly planes with his dad. It was a hands-on education in problem-solving, resilience and staying calm under pressure. That mindset carried him through early work on rocket launches and landings at SpaceX, and later, into founding The Launch Company, a startup that developed modular, scalable launch systems for rockets. He sold it in 2021. These days, he’s working on a new venture called Applied Atomics, building compact nuclear power systems that are designed to provide energy-intensive industries with clean, reliable power. More than anything, though, he’s interested in where Alaska fits into the global future: how we move beyond boom-and-bust cycles, invest in our own talent and create businesses that are both rooted here and relevant everywhere. Ben says that the investment he’d like to be known for hasn’t happened yet, but his goal is to demonstrate what’s possible in Alaska. That includes moving beyond our dependence on oil, and considering where Alaska’s people and economy might be in 50, 100, or even 1,000 years from now. While the specifics of future technology are hard to predict, some needs remain constant: food, clean air, clean water and reliable energy. These are the issues he focuses on when he thinks about the problem he would like to be known for solving. They’re ones that meet basic human needs. And writing helps him work through these ideas. He says it’s a tool for making sense of complex decisions, checking assumptions and mapping the long view. It’s also how he slows down, reflects and emotionally processes what he’s building. Because, for him, it all comes back to family and community.

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0:00.0

I tell, I guess I tell everybody, like, if I had my way, I would probably just be a writer.

0:16.2

But I decided early on that I wanted to build, build things and then have adventures and then tell

0:24.7

those stories. And so that's kind of what it's, what it's become for me. And I think has been really

0:29.7

neat because, you know, if you think about even with the rise of so-called AI, but these,

0:35.0

at least these language models, I would argue that they're not

0:37.5

actually that intelligent at this point. But they can, they can ape a lot of writing styles,

0:44.4

but what they can't ever ape is human experience. And there's, there's this really interesting

0:49.8

quote from Picasso, who, you know, I don't know if you ever saw any of his early work but it was

0:56.8

this like hyper realistic beautiful portraits nobody would ever nobody would right I have yeah

1:01.4

yeah right no nobody who is just kind of staring at it generally would peg that as a Picasso

1:06.8

and and then of course we're all familiar with you know know, like Guernica and his later works.

1:11.1

And it's like this huge difference.

1:13.6

Well, the camera really became available during his lifetime.

1:17.3

And he was a photographer.

1:18.5

He loved photography.

1:19.9

And the thing that he said is, well, now we know everything that painting isn't.

1:25.0

And I freaking love that.

1:26.7

Okay.

1:27.0

And I feel that about, I feel that about writing.

1:29.9

So like when I write, I, I feel that I'm trying to share things that you can only get through

1:37.7

experience. That was Ben Kelly. He's an entrepreneur, a writer, and someone who spent a lot of time thinking about

1:47.1

how to build things that matter. He grew up in Alaska, learning to fly planes with his dad.

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