Chatter: Climate Migration with Gaia Vince
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 14 May 2024
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
Migration has always been a part of humanity's story. It will continue to be so long after any of us now living are gone. Population shifts in the coming century, spurred by climate change, are on track to become more extreme than at any point in our history--with hundreds of millions, probably billions, of people on the move.
For this episode, David Priess spoke with Gaia Vince, self-described former scientists and author of the book Nomad Century (among other works), about various aspects of climate change-driven mass migration, including perceptions of borders across history, attitudes toward climate change mitigation vs. adaptation, why the "Dubai model" isn't a global solution, demographic shifts in the global north, migration as a cause of evolutionary and cultural development, myths about migrants and jobs and wages, nurses from the Philippines as a case study, how enlightened leadership can guide the most productive migration outcomes, and much more.
Works mentioned in this episode:
The book Transcendence by Gaia Vince
The book Nomad Century by Gaia Vince
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| 0:16.4 | slash Lawfair. Also check out Lawfair's other podcast offerings, rational security, chatter, lawfare no bull, and the aftermath. Hi everyone Jordan Marrkai here my brand new album the Loop Loop, is out now. |
| 0:42.8 | This album is about parenthood. |
| 0:44.4 | It sort of made me reflect on the way I was parented |
| 0:47.1 | and it's made me reflect a lot on my parenting style |
| 0:49.9 | and all the issues I face internally as well |
| 0:51.9 | on how that may come across and project |
| 0:54.3 | onto my child so it's a story of parenthood and I can't wait for you to hear it and I |
| 0:59.0 | really hope you enjoy it. Welcome to Chatter. I'm David Pries. This week, author Gaya Vince on Climate Migration. |
| 1:15.0 | People don't want to leave, but they have no choice. |
| 1:18.0 | And as the temperature goes, |
| 1:20.0 | as these extreme weather conditions happen, people are going to have to move. |
| 1:25.0 | When we do surveys of people, of populations, generally the majority of people are actually kind, generous, non-zenophobic, not racist, |
| 1:38.0 | they're not that prejudiced actually and they're open and welcoming to strangers and to new people. |
| 1:45.0 | I feel that we have an obligation and a responsibility to make sure that in the decades to come, |
| 1:52.0 | these people are at least given you know the |
| 1:56.8 | opportunity and helped to live in the safe parts of the world. |
| 2:09.0 | Gaya Vince, welcome to Chatter. Such a pleasure to be on with you David. |
| 2:11.0 | And such a pleasure to finally speak with you. I've been a fan of your writing and speaking for quite some time. I didn't know where you'd go after your book, Transcendants from several years ago, |
| 2:24.6 | but you hit it out of the park, as we say, |
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