You can't really stand there and say, I fundamentally don't believe who you are, but don't worry, I'm going to support you in the rest of your life.

You are then taking your power, your power as cisgender people and wielding it against trans people in deeply destructive ways. Welcome to the Edge of Sports podcast.

I'm Dave Ziron.

This week we are talking to the deputy director for trans justice at the ACLU Chase Strangio.

Also, I have some choice words about race norming. Wait to you hear what that is.

I also have just stand up and just sit down awards, Kaepernick watch and Mark. But first,

let me do a proper introduction for Trace Strangio. On the Edge of Sports podcast, we are

closely following the issue of the demonization of trans women athletes and the battle

to take away their right to take the field.

If you're looking for arguments as to why these ideas about trans women are faulthoods

and the people pushing these ideas are reactionary and wrongheaded in the extreme, listen

to our show last month with trans athlete legend and activist Chris

Mosier.

There we went through the arguments.

Here we are talking about the fight.

And I can't think of anyone better than Case Strangio, the deputy director for trans

justice at the ACLU with whom to have this discussion.

Hello, Chase.

Hello. Thanks for having me. No, very happy to have you. It's our honor. Thanks for coming back. It's been difficult to keep up with all the

news on this issue as it's been unfurling in the different states. And I was hoping perhaps

you could give us a rundown. Where are we

right now? First in Mississippi, but also South Dakota, anywhere else. Can you give us a rundown of the

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