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I wanted to come at the permafrost and challenge this narrative that it is a kind of apocalyptic

object, for once of a better word, or substance, but also to challenge the idea of

permafrost as just a kind of scientific thing, that science has a strategy for understanding

permafrost, and it is kind of the only thing that is worth knowing about. Permaphrast is permanently

frozen ground for two or more years at a temperature of zero degrees or below. That is the official

scientific definition.

But I kind of found that to be lacking.

So, yeah, I just wanted to approach permafrost

to resist this idea of it as an apocalypse

or as a scientific object that is able to be fully understood.

Today we're speaking with Charlotte Wrigley, a postdoctoral fellow at the Greenhouse

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