Hey, good evening, everybody.

Wherever you're on the world, hope you having a fantastic day.

I'm here with Frank, who Charlie Kirk described as a mentor, a friend.

You know, I've watched them debates on the internet, both absolute power speakers.

You know, Frank's got a military background from the Navy,

and he was present when the tragedy happened.

And I cannot imagine, you know, being so close to someone

and something so bloody disturbing and out of the blue to happen.

So, you know, my heart goes out to you. And just to set the

stage a bit then, you know, before we get into all of this, huge thank you for coming on firstly.

And, you know, what, how did your relationship with Charlie Kirk start?

Thank you, Sean. Yeah, it started back in 2020 when he emailed our ministry and said he had been watching my videos

and they were helpful to him and he wanted to get to know me and so I called him up and then

we just kind of hit it off his friends and we he invited me to just about every event that he

had and in the summer of 2025 last summer I was meeting with him on several occasions just to help

him get ready for his tour his college tour because I had been speaking at colleges for about 20 years. I years ago wrote a book

called I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. And so I present that on college campuses and then

take questions. And he wanted the few things that I knew that he didn't know, he wanted to know.

I mean, it can be hard to mentor somebody smarter than you,

but not with Charlie because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility.

So we had met on four occasions in Phoenix. I live in, I live on the East Coast, but he was out

in Phoenix. And so I would go out there and we would meet for a couple of

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