Welcome back. Charles Hoskinson is still with us and now joining us at the desk is Ding X. Ding is the founder of Predict. Fun.

Hey. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Welcome.

Thank you. Thanks for having me here. Of course. Now, I got to start off with this question.

It's a little bit fun, and I'm super curious.

You know, for a long time, you built pseudonymously.

I have a hard time with that word.

We're the ultimate mystery man.

You were this legendary NFT will.

Now you are a public-facing builder.

And my question for you is, is being in the public eye?

Is building in the public eye as exhausting as sometimes Charles makes it look?

Oh, it is actually quite exhausting.

I've only been public for about two, three months now.

And I think I've been to more conferences than I have in the last 10 years. So, yeah, it's really different.

When you're pseudonymous, you can actually, you actually have a lot more time on your hands, and you can build in peace.

And I guess it's easier interacting with users online than it is in person.

So, yeah, so I previously built Pancake Swap, which is largest Dexon B&B chain.

When we launched that, I guess we didn't really have an offline presence of a community,

but everyone was online, everyone was really excited, and you could really gauge all of the interests.

But now I think especially with the latest, like how the market is and as well, like everyone

wants to see more public-facing founders and everyone wants to see, you know, like how

committed you are, like you actually need to be outside talking to people So, yeah, it's a very different life, I would say.

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