"Chaos" over China: Josh Rogin talks foreign policy, trade and Trump

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🗓️ 24 March 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Josh Rogin, author of "Chaos Under Heaven" and columnist for the Washington Post, joins Chuck to talk about how U.S.-China relations changed during the last four years, driven by former President Trump's personality.

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0:00.0	Hello there I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast.
0:09.2	And Joaniemi now is Josh Rogan.
0:10.6	He's a columnist for the Washington Post, but he's author of the new book called Chaos
0:15.1	Under Heaven, Trump Chi and the Battle for the 21st Century.
0:20.4	It's a really interesting new book.
0:23.7	I have been pouring through it.
0:26.1	It's a well, it's a very deeply reported book.
0:29.8	This is not a extended column, so people need to understand that.
0:35.5	But it was really interesting.
0:36.5	I was Josh, Chaos Under Heaven, I thought it's a no, I wonder where he gets his title
0:41.9	and then you go in the book and it's like, oh, it's Mal.
0:44.3	Okay.
0:45.3	When something doesn't quite make sense, you know, then you attribute it to Mal.
0:50.8	But why did you pick that Malism?
0:53.8	Right.
0:54.8	So the quote, full Mal quote, and by the way, Chuck, thanks for having me on.
0:57.7	The full Mal quote is, there is Chaos Under Heaven, the situation is excellent.
1:04.2	And what's funny about that is that, you know, it sort of aptly describes what I detected
1:09.3	to be the situation in the Chinese leadership, which was that the chaos and dysfunction that
1:13.0	was roaring through our system over the last four years was definitely something that they
1:18.6	enjoyed.
1:19.6	At the same time, they kind of, you know, were scared of it because they didn't really
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