Hello and welcome. My name is Sophia Besh and you're listening to the CER podcast.

Hello and welcome to the latest CER podcast. I'm John Springford, Director of Research for the CER.

We've just had a very interesting event with Matt Goodwin of the University of Kent and Chatham House

and Paul Whiteley from the University of Essex,

discussing their new book,

Brexit, Why Britain Voted to leave the EU.

And in response, we have Florence Fochie from Ciencebo, a political scientist who's done

a lot of work on France.

We're going to have a discussion about Brexit and why Britain voted to leave the EU and potentially

what the implications might be for the EU as a whole.

Matthew, I'd like to ask you the first question, really, which is there are three stories

about why Britain voted to leave the EU.

There's the immigration story that we've had a much faster net migration from the EU since 2004.

There's the sovereignty story, which is that people wanted to take back control over laws and the way that we were governed.

And then there's the economy story, which is that people didn't really believe Project Fear.

And I wondered what the findings of your book meant for those three narratives and which one won out in the end.

Well, one of the things that we have tried to do is bring data and evidence to that debate,

you know, not opinion, and we're drawing on more than 10 years worth of survey data, an overall

sample of tens of thousands of voters. And we've also got a nice panel design in there.

So we have a survey just a few days before the vote on June the 23rd and then another a few days

after. So, you know, in terms of what the book contains, there's a sort of war chest of data.

And the story really is, you know that there's a bit of all of

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