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between Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, and Jean Pisani Ferry, who came to the

CER to talk about his new paper on a possible continental partnership in the future between

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Here's Charles Grant and Jean Pisani Ferry.

Well, I'd like to welcome Jean Pisani Ferry, a very eminent French academic and the

founder of the Broygal think tank, and one of the authors of an interesting new paper from Broigel.

Jean, if I get your thesis correctly, you are proposing a future relationship between Britain and the EU called a continental partnership.

The British would be in the single market. they would pay some money into the EU budget,

they would have to accept the jurisdiction of something related to the European Court of Justice,

but they would be allowed to restrict free movement in some ways.

They would be consulted on new EU laws but not have a vote on them.

And other countries, in addition to Britain, such as Turkey or

Ukraine, could conceivably be part of the same continental partnership. It would be an outer ring

for the European Union. Is that basically your thesis? Well, Britain would be outside the EU. That's the

starting point. And then we thought, what kind of template can we have for the long-term relationship between the UK and the

EU and the the aim is first to to preserve economic integration because to destroy this integration

would be extremely costly for both sides then to preserve also the fact that being part of the same

continent, we have some common interest regionally and globally. And finally, also to offer some sort

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