I guess today is Alex Baronson, a heroic figure in my view today, and Alex is an American

writer. He has a dozen spy novels about the CIA. He is, and he's the winner of an Edgar

Award. Most people know him as a New York Times writer who's covered, Ernie Maidoff.

He's covered the financial sector. He's covered drugs and pharmaceutical industry for the

New York Times. And he has kind of, I would say, taken a big risk and destroyed his relationship

and made himself a pariah during the Corona. Rice is by actually trying to cover the truth.

And he's done it very, very well. And he's absolutely been savaged and brutalized by the

institutions that used to celebrate him, the Atlantic monthly, the Daily Beast, and all of these

other institutions. So I'm reading from here Wikipedia page now, Alex, and as you may know,

Wikipedia is not a good place to get information about. And you know, I've been involved,

I almost litigated against them, and I've been working with Gary Null, who did litigate

against them. And it's very hard to sue Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a completely subsumed and

is pharmaceutical paradigm. And they will, anybody who promotes vitamins, anybody who

promotes alternate medicine, integrative medicine, functional medicine, people who promote

chiropractors or nutrition, and they are all that reputations are absolutely, it's just

defamatory entries about them. You can't sue them because of the way that there's that uh,

but Gary Null has figured out a way to sue the individual editors who are responsible.

And they all meet in this kind of editing room, the top guys meet in this editing room,

and they're the ones who control how Wikipedia handles the appeals.

Right. Oh, you can go, you can get your buddy to go on your Wikipedia page and take out off

the defamatory stuff, but it will instantly set off a trigger somewhere. Yeah.

They will come back and fix it to defend you again. Yep. And so there's an editing room where those

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