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Hey everybody, we got a great one today, you know, for a change, because my guest is Catherine Rampel.

You may know Catherine from her Washington Post column or her previous visits on her show.

Plus, we'll be seeing more of Catherine soon when she starts co-hosting MSNBC's The Weekend, which will be in prime time.

We recorded this immediately after, immediately after Trump's Rose Garden speech, announcing

his new tariff regime.

So this is an historic conversation.

I'm essentially asking Catherine to explain what we had just heard on the fly.

But just for clarity's sake, Trump has put

steep tariffs on nearly every country in the world, which will cost Americans at least a couple

thousand dollars a year each. It will adversely affect low and middle income Americans,

far more than high income Americans who will get a giant tax break.

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