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I'm excited to be talking to Catherine Price today over the phone.

She is the author of, Funny Enough, How to Break Up with Your Phone, which is being published

in 26 countries and translated into 18 languages.

An award-winning writer and science journalist, Catherine's work has appeared in the New York Times,

the LA Times, The Washington Post, O. The Oprah Magazine, and many other publications.

She's appeared on The Today Show and other impressive outlets.

Her previous books are Vitamania, How Vitamines Revolutionize the Way We Think About Food, 101 Places Not to See Before You Die, Mindfulness, A Journal, and The Big Sur Bakery Cookbook.

A graduate of Yale University and UC Berkeley's Graduate School of Journalism, she currently lives with her family in Philadelphia.

So welcome, Catherine. Thanks so much for coming on. Moms Don't have time to read books. Thank you so much for having me. And Catherine, this is like the craziest because you're the first person who I heard about your book and then realized that we had gone to high school together. Well, it was very funny when I heard about a Zibby. I was like, I know a Zibby. I wonder how there are that I saw a picture and was like, oh my God. I do indeed. I know. I was like, I know her. That's amazing. Anyway, so, so exciting to hear of all the things that have, you've accomplished in your life since we went to high school together. And it's so funny, too, how if you don't see someone's picture, you might not recognize them from just their name. So anyway.

Right, exactly. So can you please tell listeners what how to break up with your phone is about and what inspired you to write it?

Yes. So breaking up with your phone does not mean dumping your phone. I always like to clarify that right from the get-go because otherwise people tend to freak out, say, oh my God, I could never do that. And basically, it's the same thing with a human relationship. If you break up with someone, you're not saying you're never going to date a human being again. You're just saying there's something that wasn't working in that relationship for you. And hopefully you're on the lookout for a new relationship that's healthy and that feels right for you. So that's what we're aiming for here is a healthy relationship that you feel in control of. And what inspired me to write

the book, I mean, a couple of things. I've been a science journalist and I tend to try to turn my

own personal issues into professional projects because why not. And about four, I guess over four years ago, I'd had a baby, and I was up with her one night,

overtired, and maybe a little bit like hallucinatory because I basically saw this scene

as it would appear to the outside world, which was that I was sitting with her in my lap,

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