The scale of our impact on the planet is so vast now, right, that the natural systems can't

kind of absorb all of our bad behavior in the way that they, you know, were kind of able to,

for a while. That's a lot of pressure. It's a lot to expect out of subprimeates.

Yeah. So I think that definitely cooperation is the single most important thing because,

you know, it doesn't matter what kind of destructive possibility you're dealing with.

The human factor is going to be super important.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the here. We are podcast a very special episode.

You may have seen the first of this new series that will be eventually rebranded and

rekind of edited for something that working title as casual courses. Maybe you guys have a better

name for it and kind of the premise being I've reached out to a bunch of my favorite past guests

from this show and to see if they have any current projects like a class that they're putting

together or a book that they're brainstorming or maybe just finishing or something like that.

And see if they want to come on the show and through the course of multiple episodes kind of

hash out and work through some of the kind of showing you guys the early phases of some of those

processes before the finished product is giving you a chance to ask questions and get feedback

from you and then just giving us an opportunity to have a casual conversation about the work.

Also without without the pressure of the academic needing to know exactly the citation for this

and that which is what a finished product would have. So just a little more freedom, a little more

casual, a little more fun. And so that's what this is. This is the second episode. And so this may be

a part that will then like cut in the finished product and start now. So joining me again today is

my fantastic guest, Athena, actipus is joining me. Thank you so much.

Hey Shane, it's so awesome to be here. I always love talking to you about my work.

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