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Planet Money

Carried interest wormhole

Planet Money

NPR

Business, News

4.6 β€’ 29.8K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 13 August 2022

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The carried interest tax loophole is a way that wealthy Americans – often the people who manage hedge funds or private equity firms – avoid paying billions of dollars worth of taxes. It has been one of the most controversial yet durable features of the U.S. tax code. But where did it come from? Today we romp through space and time to piece together the origins of this loophole. There will be pirates and mutiny. A 50s tax-dodge-a-palooza. And perhaps the Michelangelo of tax lawyers. | Subscribe to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.

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0:00.0

This is Planet Money from NPR.

0:06.6

In the game of Congressional dysfunction bingo, I would propose that just maybe the free

0:12.3

space in the middle should be the three words that seem to come up over and over and cause

0:17.9

problems for Republicans and Democrats.

0:21.9

It is the carried interest loophole.

0:25.4

The carried interest loophole.

0:27.8

It's a tax break.

0:30.3

We're going to keep saying loophole because that's how it's become known.

0:32.9

But it is a way that wealthy people, often people who manage things like hedge funds, venture

0:38.2

capital firms, private equity companies, a way that those people are able to pay lower

0:43.5

taxes.

0:44.5

Specifically, it lets them say, no, no, no, my money coming in here isn't income, which

0:50.7

has a high tax rate.

0:52.3

It's this other thing called carried interest that has a much lower tax rate.

0:56.3

When the inflation reduction act, nay, the climate bill, nay, also build back better,

1:01.9

was going to sort of close this loophole or start to think about closing it.

1:07.6

But then Arizona Senator Kirsten Sinema made her fellow Democrats take it out.

1:13.2

But all of this got us thinking that attacks loophole.

1:17.0

It does feel like this thing that's born of a conspiracy hatched over expensive stakes

1:24.4

with butter on them.

1:26.8

I mean, maybe it's not not that, but in the case of carried interest, it is so much more

1:32.4

than that.

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