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writing contests, literary agents, and more. I'm here today with Caroline de Magre, who is the author

with Sophie Masse of How to Be Parisian Wherever You Are from 2014, and most recently,

Older, but Better, but older. She is an international model and has been a Chanel ambassador

since 2013. Caroline is also a music producer at bonus track records and a fashion video producer.

She is a children's and women's rights activist. Caroline currently lives in Paris with her 12-year-old son.

So welcome, Caroline. Thanks for coming on moms. Don't have time to read books. Thanks for having me.

Caroline just got off the flight from Paris through an hour and a half line at immigration and has landed at my desk.

So this is like major bonus points for you for doing this. I'm so impressed.

Well, you know, you don't want to miss the opportunity to see you.

So but yeah, you have to be nice to me because my mind is a bit in the clouds.

I will go very easy, honey.

I just like listening to your beautiful accent.

That's like the best part.

I don't think anybody else from France has been on my show.

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