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Hello and welcome to full disclosure, a podcast project designed to let me spend more time than is ordinarily available on my radio show with people that I find interesting.

And Caroline Coriardo Perez certainly fits into that cast. It would be a bit odd,

wouldn't it, to introduce you like that and say, and this week I've got a guest to I don't

find remotely interesting. I thought we swim against the tide. You're always...

Can you say that about all your guests? Well, I have to. I've just realised this the most ridiculous

introduction. It doesn't mean anything. You're always introduced or almost always introduced as a British feminist author,

journalist and activist. Why the feminist bit? I expect because people know about me from my

feminist book and, or books, I should say, and my feminist campaigns and not so much recently, but my feminist rants on Twitter.

Yes. I mean, it's not many people have a label like that applied to them.

So, I mean, I find your book, that's why you're here, a large part of the reason why you're here, revelatory.

I don't come away from it feeling harangued or lectured revelatory. I don't come away from it feeling

harangued or lectured in any way. I just come away from it feeling enlightened. Well, I'm really

glad to hear you say that because that was a very deliberate strategy on my behalf to try and rein in

the ranting for the book. And it's really because of how I came into feminism.

I wanted, when I was writing the book,

to try to give people the same experience I had

when I first had my mind changed.

Because prior to, well, I went to university as a mature student

and in my mid-20s. And prior to that point, I hadn to university as a mature student and in my mid-20s.

And prior to that point, I hadn't actually been a feminist at all.

I would describe myself actually as an anti-feminist.

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