Okay, Thrive Nation on today's show, what I'm doing is I'm going to be introducing you to my

mentor in the niche or in the niche of public speaking.

Years ago, I went to a church called Higher Dimensions Church, and when I went to Higher

Dimensions Church, they had a pastor by the name of Bishop Carlton Pearson, and he was one of the

most successful pastors, one of the most well-known pastors in America,

and he was the pastor of the church I went to.

Now, later in life, Carlton Pearson rejected the gospel as the literal word of God,

and so therefore he and I did not theologically agree.

May he rest in peace. But there was a time,

there was a moment in our life, a period of time, a period of years, where he was my pastor,

and he was the pastor of one of the largest churches in America, and a man who was one of the

most successful or most well-known names in the world of evangelical Christianity.

And he was my mentor.

He was my speaking coach.

He was a man that I went to after church one day.

And I said, Carlton, how can I learn to speak like you?

And he said, you know, Clay, the only guy that really has ever

asked me that question before was a man by the name of Bishop T.D. Jakes. I said, you taught Bishop

T.D. Jakes how to speak? You taught him? He said, yes, and Oral Roberts taught me.

And I said, what, what?

Oral Roberts, the founder of Orle Roberts University, he taught you to be a, how to speak publicly?

He said, yes.

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