“I hope there’s a world where you don’t have to come out of the closet because you never have to go in. We get to see each other for humanity and not what makes us different.” Carl Nassib former NFL player In a groundbreaking and deeply personal episode of The Pivot Podcast, Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor, and Channing Crowder sit down with Carl Nassib — former NFL defensive end, entrepreneur, and trailblazer — for an unfiltered conversation about football, identity, and forging your own path. Carl, who was the first active NFL player to come out as gay in 2021, may be tied to that moment forever but his purpose and legacy on and off the field goes far beyond all of that. From his early days at Penn State to making NFL history with the Las Vegas Raiders, the guys go through his football journey and explore the courage, challenges, and cultural impact of Nassib’s voice in society and sports. Carl opens up about the moment that changed his life and the NFL forever: becoming the first active player to come out as gay. He discusses the weight of that decision, the support he received, and the backlash he had to navigate. The conversation takes us through Carl’s mindset through his playing days with the Browns, Raiders, and Buccaneers, the highs and lows of being a professional athlete, and how his personal journey intersected with his career. But this episode goes beyond headlines. Carl shares insight into his post-football ventures, including his work with The Trevor Project and his foray into the world of finance and entrepreneurship. With honesty and humor, he talks about what it means to live authentically, redefine masculinity, and make space for others to do the same. He talks on how he misses the brotherhood of the NFL locker room, the bond with his coaches and teammates, his historical game vs Lamar Jackson and how his jersey will be a part of history at the Smithsonian museum. Carl's story has reshaped the conversation around LGBTQ+ representation in professional sports as well as opened the minds of others who for so long couldn't grasp the idea while inspiring a new generation of athletes to live authentically. Tap in for a powerful and thought-provoking discussion that challenges assumptions, celebrates courage, and highlights the strength it takes to pivot — both on and off the field. Full episode streaming now on YouTube and don't forget to hit the subscribe button and comment your thoughts below! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices