And we're not talking about everybody has to do full-time ministry, obviously.

When we say do ministry together as a family, we're talking about, you know, through your church, through, you know, community stuff.

It's serving together.

You may have a job that you do full-time outside of that.

And that's great.

We need everybody to serve and do ministry, whether it's vocational or not.

And what I would say, too, honey, is every Christian is in full-time ministry.

Yeah.

And whatever you're doing it, if you're doing it under the Lord, then it's, it is a ministry.

It is benefiting others, and it is representing God.

And so I've never really liked this clean, bright line

between, are you in ministry or not? It's like a business owner who's stewarding their resources,

managing their employees, they're pastoring. Their employees, they're using gift of evangelism

to lead them to Christ, gift of discipleship to help mature them, gift of administration,

to manage the resources. I mean, they're doing ministry. Now, it may be in the context of the

business, and it may not even be a Christian business, but it is a Christian person, so everything

they're doing is unto Christ. Hey, everyone, it's Mark and Grace Driscoll with the Exo Real Marriage podcast.

And we are going through the spiritual gifts series and just helping you determine

in your relationship what each other has so that you can encourage one another in those.

We've gone through several already.

And we are on the gift of shepherding and care.

And this is something that, I think we both have to a degree, but because a pastor shepherds as well,

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