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Curious City

Car, bike, public transit: What’s the best way to get around town?

Curious City

WBEZ Chicago

Investigation, Chicago, Radio, Arts, Society & Culture, Public, Education, Curious, City

4.6661 Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

What would win in a race between a car, bike and the Chicago Transit Authority? Over the past few years, Chicago has been abuzz with road construction projects. There are more protected bike lanes, pedestrian refuge islands and curb bump-outs across the city. As we learned in our last episode, that also includes the installation of miniature traffic circles in residential areas. It’s all in service to make the roads safer by slowing cars down. Safer streets is a win, but it doesn’t necessarily satisfy the urge to get somewhere fast. Cycling and public transportation are viable alternatives, but sometimes it’s hard to separate yourself from the convenience of driving somewhere. In this episode, the Curious City team puts the different modes of transportation to the test in a good old-fashioned transit race. From the Garfield Park Conservatory to Navy Pier, who will win? Car, bike or public transportation? Plus, Midwest correspondent for the Economist, Daniel Knowles makes the case for why we should rethink our relationship with cars, and answers why the fastest isn’t always the best. “People will always drive if it's the most convenient or the quickest way,” said Knowles, author of “Carmeggedon: How Cars Make Life Worse and What to Do About It.” “You can't exhort people to change, you have to kind of change the incentives.”

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0:00.0

What's up Chicago? I'm Erin Allen, and this is Curious City. Last episode, the question we

0:08.6

answered was about city streets. Specifically, things that Chicago builds on them, like speed

0:15.0

humps, extended curbs, and those tiny little neighborhood traffic circles. The goal of all of these things is to slow you down,

0:24.6

which goes against the desire to, you know, get to work as fast as possible.

0:28.6

So what gives?

0:30.6

Basically, slowing down vehicles just makes everything safer.

0:35.6

That's Daniel Knowles. He wrote a book called Carmageddon with a very direct subtitle, How Cars Make Life Worse

0:43.3

and What to Do About It.

0:45.3

Daniel says people will almost always choose to drive.

0:49.3

People will always drive if it's the most convenient or the quickest way.

0:53.3

I mean, that's just

0:54.3

what people will do. And you can't exhort people to change. You have to kind of change the

1:00.5

incentives. We're going to talk to Daniel about the incentives we are given to choose a car

1:05.2

and how to change them. We're also going to talk about why he thinks you probably overestimate how much you need a car.

1:13.6

But first, that need for speed is deeply ingrained, and our team here at Curiosity is not immune.

1:20.2

So we're going to explore, in an unscientific way, another question.

1:25.1

What's the fastest way to get to work?

1:26.9

Okay, so right now we're at the Garfield Park Conservatory and traffic is picking up.

1:32.3

I can tell.

1:33.3

To answer that question, and in the grand spirit of public radio, we held a good old-fashioned transit race.

1:39.3

On a Monday morning, bright and early, the birds are chirping.

1:42.3

Our team, myself, Justin Bull, Susie On, all met up early on a Monday morning at a neutral location

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