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To find out more, search'm Stephen. And I'm Alpha. And on this episode is the New States and

podcast, we discuss the horrific scenes in the United States, and you ask us how influential have lockdown sceptics been on government decisions

about lockdown. So... So obviously the most significant event in global politics over the last how many

hours had been the events in Washington DC.

Obviously we have another podcast world review in which our international team

discuss all of this stuff in greater detail and they will do that tomorrow, but I thought

Alver it would be a good idea for us to talk about it a bit because it obviously is a huge event

than the world over is talking about. You talked about how, in many ways this was unsurprising in our free morning email morning call.

Why was it unsurprising do you?

I suppose it didn't make it any less shocking and so in some ways I was very surprised and shocked and

find it very surreal but I think I sort of meant that more on the level of

analysis or whatever we shouldn't find it surprising or that's just my own take on it that

actually I mean it's a new development but it's entirely in keeping with everything that we have seen from the Trump presidency from the very beginning and it's the sort of just the I mean this this is what Emily wrote in her dispatch from Washington last night.

And so I kind of picked up on a similar theme that words do eventually become actions and that beyond what you say on

Twitter or the comments that you make that are leaked about and I mean I was just

thinking about the grab and by the

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