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ReThinking

Cancelling cancel culture with Loretta Ross

ReThinking

TED

Society & Culture, Organizational Psychology, Worklife Podcasts, Adam Grant, Rethinking Podcast, Ted Podcast Adam Grant, Ted Talks, Adam Grant Podcasts

4.7626 Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

As a public intellectual, activist and professor at Smith College, Loretta Ross is no stranger to confrontation and debate. But years of working to change the minds of others have led her to rethink her own ideas about approaching difficult conversations. Loretta and Adam discuss why shaming rarely changes behavior and her powerful alternative to cancel culture. They also reflect on personal moments of confrontation and explore strategies for talking others out of hate.


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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.


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0:00.0

Sean has had some good ideas over the years.

0:05.0

But using Canva was a really good one.

0:08.0

Sean designed some social posts to promote his friend's car boot sale.

0:13.0

They looked good.

0:15.0

Really, really good.

0:17.0

Next thing he knows, someone came and bought the lot including the car now sean doesn't know

0:25.6

i was going to get home thanks camber michael lewis here my best-selling book the big short tells the

0:35.0

story of the build-up and burst of U.S. housing market back in 2008.

0:40.3

A decade ago, the Big Short was made into an Academy Award-winning movie.

0:44.3

And now I'm bringing it to you for the first time as an audiobook narrated by yours truly.

0:49.3

The Big Short's story, what it means to bet against the market, and who really pays for an unchecked

0:55.1

financial system, is as relevant today as it's ever been. Get the big short now at pushkin.fm.

1:01.2

Or wherever audiobooks are sold.

1:08.8

It takes too much energy to hate people.

1:12.4

You know, I've always found that exhausting.

1:18.2

Hey, everyone, it's Adam Grant.

1:20.3

Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tick with the TED Audio Collective.

1:25.9

I'm an organizational psychologist,

1:28.0

and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people

1:30.4

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

1:36.4

My guest today is Loretta Ross,

1:38.6

public intellectual, activist, and professor at Smith College.

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