This is a series, I on the world. I'm John Bachelor with my colleague and

Frank Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang. We're off to Ottawa. Charles Burton of the McDonnell

Lawi Institute joins us to comment on a headline in his last days.

Canada says China has a role to play in keeping the Red Sea safe.

This is a conversation between Canada's foreign minister Melony Jolie

and China's foreign minister slash chief diplomat of the Chinese Communist Party,

Wang Yi, taking place in Munich during the security conference, China and Canada.

Charles, a very good evening to you.

Thank you very much for joining.

This looks like Canada's outreach for a working relationship with China. I get confused. My scorecard is all marked up.

Recently there have been reports, events that suggest that Ottawa is no longer regarding China as a friendly power, but as a

competitive even hostile power. Has that changed again with this apparent diplomatic outreach by the foreign minister of Canada?

Good evening to you.

Good evening. Well, I think that there is a pretty much the rhetoric and the reality of the Canadian government's relations with China are pretty much at odds.

It's interesting that the readout of this meeting from the Chinese foreign ministry is very different from the

one that the Canadians have issued and it says that Wongi met with the Canadian

foreign minister, Melanie Jolie at the latter's request, which means, you know, it's a traditional mode of lesser

countries coming to pay tribute to the Middle Kingdom.

And he made a number of rather nasty threats suggesting that, you know, that Canada-China relations may deteriorate further,

if Canada does not, first of all, stop hyping up the China threat theory, in other words,

don't increase defence commitments to the Indo-Pacific,

stop spreading false information about so-called Chinese interference in Canadian internal affairs,

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