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This Jungian Life Podcast

Can We Consider Abortion?

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2022

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

The word consider derives from Latin considerare, “to look at closely, observe.” Con means “with, together,” and sidus refers to “heavenly body, star constellation.” Observing the marvel of the stars with another is very different from engaging in conflict, “to contend, fight, or struggle.” Conflict summons rigid polarities: for or against,right or wrong, and winning or losing. Significant issues like abortion test our ability to tolerate ambiguity and anxiety without activating the polarizing defenses of judging, moralizing, or demonizing the other. Pregnancy, the archetype of potential life, carries profound emotions--and the shadow of what could be is limitation. Lack of internal or external resources limits our ability to birth many of life’s potentials. Bowing to life’s limitations also holds potential for conceiving new life.

Here’s the dream we analyze:

“I am in a dressing room/anteroom getting ready for my wedding. My mother steps in and makes some critical remark to me…something along the lines of “you’re never ready on time” or “you always leave things for the last minute.” Then she exits, leaving me alone with my father. We are getting ready together for the wedding. I ask him what all the guests are going to do while they’re waiting for us, and he reassures me that the rabbi of my synagogue will keep everyone entertained while we get ready. I then hear the rabbi leading all the guests in Jewish songs from outside. Back in the dressing room, my father and I are putting on tuxedos. I take out a box of studs for the tuxedo shirt and lay them out across some kind of table with a soft surface (like a little bed or mattress). The golden studs are spread out across this surface, and I begin to sift through them, but I’m unable to distinguish which studs belong to me and which ones belong to my father -- they look identical. I examine them in the palm of my hand and grow frustrated, being unable to pick out which one is which. Then I realize that I am not clean-shaven -- I have the same stubble that I currently have in my waking life -- and grow even more frustrated, feeling a sense that my parents never leave me enough time to get the things done that I need to get done. Then I wake up, asking myself: Why am I blaming my parents for my own time management problems?”

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Katie Watson. Scarlet A: The Ethics, Law and Politics of Ordinary Abortion. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0190051728/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3Q7EQVAVDHD0P85C2ZZ4

Jonathan Haidt. The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided By Politics and Religion.      https://www.amazon.com/dp/0307455777/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_G79D9A2H4D384SDT8QVA

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Sarah Hrdy. Maternal Instincts & How They shape the Human Species. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0345408934/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_J5M6DPS90SQ71WHWAGXC

Diana Greene Foster. The Turnaway Study: Ten Years, A Thousand Women, and the Consequences of Having—or Being Denied—An Abortion. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1982141573/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_B8F181E6ZEZTVDRDCG7H

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life. Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marchiano,

0:07.1

Deborah Stewart, and Joseph Lee invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation

0:12.3

that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. I'm Lisa Marchiano,

0:20.1

and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.5

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.5

I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst on Cape Cod.

0:49.8

Today we are going to talk about a highly polarized and very hot topic that is up in the culture everywhere, and that is abortion.

0:59.4

It is certainly hard to talk about when the public bullhorns seem to really drown out or preclude discussion.

1:06.6

We seem to have reached as a collective kind of a polarized, heated stalemate.

1:18.9

There's a lot of exhaustion, the use of extreme examples and stories on the media that are intended to elicit a really strong emotional response.

1:27.2

And all this interferes with our ability to talk about difficult topics and topics that matter. So part of our intention on the podcast is the topic

1:31.7

itself and how can we talk about it and that we should. This topic tests our ability to

1:40.3

tolerate ambiguity and ambiguity always raises anxiety and emotion.

1:47.4

So we want to consider abortion.

1:51.3

We want to explore its collective and personal significance and understand both sides better.

2:00.4

And we don't want to veer into being one-sided, moralistic, legalistic, or over-emotional.

2:07.6

We want to try to talk about it.

2:10.9

And it is eminently worthy of public discussions.

2:14.6

So we'd like to invite you to step out of fixed positions, and that includes us,

2:22.2

a certainty, and be open to multiple realities, complexity, and ambivalence.

2:29.9

I think the image that will serve us is the image of yin and yang.

2:35.0

They are different and opposed and together make for a balance and whole and lively interactive dynamic.

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