We're going to get two perspectives on this now.

Adulhak is a professor of law at Rutgers Law School.

And Yvalshani is the chair of international law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

He's also a former chair of the UN Human Rights Committee.

Thank you both for being with us.

Adulhoc, we'll start with you.

How significant is this move by the chief prosecutor

at the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top leaders

from both Israel and Hamas.

And what might the practical impact of this be given that Israel's government doesn't recognize the ICC.

So the significance is tremendous. We have the prosecutor of the

International Criminal Court bringing extremely serious charges against

both the leaders of Hamas and the leaders of the Israeli military and the political establishment.

And there are really a variety of crimes ranging from in the case of Hamas, murder, rape, torture, taking

of hostages and on the Israeli side the use of starvation as a method of warfare, the killing of civilians and the crime

against humanity of extermination. Indeed, both the leaders of Hamas and the

leaders of Israel have been charged with crimes against humanity as well as war crimes. of and so the fact that they are being charged in an independent and objective manner and even

handed manner by the prosecutor is of enormous significance.

The practical significance may be limited even if arrest warrants are

issued by the pretrial chamber. It may be very very difficult to execute them but they're significant in two other ways.

The first is the expressive value of affirming the rights and the dignity of the victims

of crimes committed by both sides of this terrible conflict. And the other is to hopefully catalyze

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