This is the Saturday edition of the Daily Signal Podcast. I'm Richard Reinch. Today I'm

joined by John U Law Professor at the University of California Berkeley School of Law to discuss

a new book he has edited with the American Enterprise Institute called The Administrative

State before the Supreme Court.

Welcome to this Saturday edition of the Daily Signal Podcast. We're talking with John

U about the administrative state and prospects for a form of this immense size burden of the

federal government. John U is a professor of law at the University of California Berkeley. He's a

visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

He has published numerous books, academic and popular, including War by other means, an insider's

account of the war on terror, defender and chief, Donald Trump's fight for presidential power,

and point of attack, preventive war, international law, and global warfare. Among other volumes,

he's also published widely in law reviews and in popular publications like National Review and

the Wall Street Journal. And he's the co-host with Richard Epstein of the Popular Law Talk

Podcast. John U, thank you for coming on. It's great to be with you. You should have

pointed out the hardest job of all those jobs I have is keeping Richard Epstein to 45 minutes

in a podcast. No, that is true. I've interviewed Richard Epstein and I think it was about an hour

long interview I talked to all four minutes. And I had to fight to get those four minutes.

Exactly. I said, how'd you get four minutes? That's four times better than I usually do.

So yeah, well, I was the host. You're merely one of two with Richard Epstein.

So the topic of our conversation is the administrative state. I think it's a term that's emerged as

a popular term and established term. Philip Hamburger, I think, really etched it into our

language with his book on the morality of administrative law in the administrative state.

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