Joining me now is a world-renowned physician and the author of Outlive, The Science and Art of Longevity, Dr. Peter Atia.

Dr. Peter, thanks so much for joining us.

Well, thank you so much for having me.

I want to talk to you about a wide variety of subjects. This is a very beautifully published and produced artifact that you've sent us. Thank you. I've already had to

cleanse it from my dog's saliva and I'll be honest, some of my own saliva as well. The science of

longevity is something that's changing. I've noticed in the software, let's call it the post-rogan

era. The conversation around wellness has altered.

It seems that male wellness used to be a kind of niche interest, which is extraordinary,

because it included all of us.

And I'm not suggesting that your content is geared towards a particular gender.

I wonder if you ever question the quantitative model when it comes to life

expectancy that so many of us are living lives that are mired in misery, distraction, depression,

doubt, feeling trapped, imprisoned, depressed, distracted, addicted, that prolonging the experience

sometimes seems like an odd marker. I'm certainly not suggesting alternative and certainly

not suggesting interventionist measures. But why is there an assumption that we should want to

live forever, endlessly? And What does it tell us sometimes

about? What does it indicate around our fears around death? So I think Russell, you've hit on two

very interesting points. And given that we could literally spend an hour just talking about

these two things, because on the one hand, you're asking the question, what is it about our finitude that obsesses us? Why are we trying to extend life?

And in the other part of your question, you're basically asking, at least the way I would

hear it, why the hell would you want to live longer if the quality of your life, and you're

referring, I think, to perhaps

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