Quick warning here at the top, today's episode has an unbleaped curse word.

Earlier this week, we did a whole show on school desegregation.

Specifically, we talked about a place where so-called busing worked.

Berkeley, California. That's where Kamala Harris grew up.

But in a bunch of American cities, the schools are still racially divided.

So today, we wanted to talk about one of those, New York City.

The conversation I'm about to play for you took place about a month ago at our first live show in downtown Manhattan.

My guest was New York City Public Advocate, Jumani Williams.

Being the city's public advocate means being a city watchdog, but it also means that if the mayor is gone for more than nine days,

Jumani can take over. And right now, Mayor de Blasio is running for president.

That means long trips to places like Iowa and New Hampshire, which kind of gets Jumani thinking.

After nine days, then I start to assume some of the powers.

I don't see that happening. I think he's going to at least touch the water and go back up.

Do you have rehearsals? Are they like, okay, here's how it's going to go.

Well, I've told my staff to find out how much damage we could do in an hour.

Let's just have that ready.

Okay, what's the first thing you do?

We're trying to look at the executive orders that we can get through.

Jumani grew up in the New York of the 80s and 90s.

Crime might have been higher back then. But for a kid like him, there was also a lot of opportunity.

He got a great public education.

Now, fewer black kids, fewer kids like Jumani, are getting the opportunities he got.

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