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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Can Kash Patel Survive This?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

What happens to an organization when it purges much of its leadership and ranks irrespective of ability, and hires for sycophantic loyalty instead? The FBI is finding out.  Guests:   Michael Feinberg, former assistant special agent in charge at the FBI’s field office in Norfolk, VA, now a fellow at Lawfare. Quinta Jurecic, staff writer at The Atlantic. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Here's the first thing you need to know about Michael Feinberg. He does not like the

0:10.9

director of the FBI, Cash Patel. He's a clown.

0:18.5

This is somebody who is only willing to engage with intellectual arguments in as much as they will help him force his political vision on others.

0:29.7

Michael spent 16 years at the FBI himself, and he has done the research when it comes to Cash Patel.

0:36.9

I read his books.

0:38.9

It was clear his name was always in the mix for becoming the director if Trump won the

0:45.9

2024 election.

0:47.4

So I read government gangsters.

0:49.8

I read his three children's books.

0:52.2

And it became very apparent that this is not a serious thinker.

0:59.6

You might not be surprised to learn that Michael left government service a few months back.

1:05.1

But with Cash Patel testifying in front of Congress this week, I thought he could offer useful

1:10.2

insight into what's been going on at the Bureau.

1:13.3

Long story short, he knows a whole lot of people who, like him, have left.

1:18.1

Almost everybody I knew wanted to stay in and hold the line as best we could.

1:24.9

But the loss of state capacity in terms of our ability to protect people from both

1:30.9

crime and national security threats is vanishing at an alarming rate if it's not already gone.

1:40.0

Michael describes a bureau whose mission has been warped from the top down.

1:45.4

Many agents have been reassigned to work on immigration issues, for instance.

1:49.5

Which is fine, in theory.

1:51.5

Except that means there are other investigations that have been abandoned.

1:55.8

Michael even discovered that some agents who were riding along with Homeland Security

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