We tend to think we know what Jesus is like, who he is.

But for many of us, actually, we are cold and flat in our Christian life and we don't know why.

And the reason maybe that the Jesus that we think is there is a junior varsity decaffinated bobblehead Jesus.

Welcome to Family Life Today where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson.

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We're going to listen to a message today from Pastor Dane Ortland that he gave on our

crews the love

Dane orland. Oh, we love Dane orland. He's been on Family Life today many times. He wrote a

phenomenal book called Gentle and lowly. We've interviewed him about that. Another book called

Gentle and Loeley. We've interviewed him about that. Another book called Deeper, which is one of my

favorite devotionals. Having he and Stacy on the boat was just awesome

when we saw him on the first day and I'll tell you what you're going to hear

a part of his message and if you hear what he's saying at the beginning you're

like why am I not on that boat you can be on it next year family life today dot com you can go right there and sign up and Dane talked

about you know I believe it's a theme of his life is preaching at Naperville

church up in Chicago area and of his writing. It's the whole idea

gentle and lowly but he goes to the passage in Ephesians where Paul talks about

marriage and he uses two words that Paul uses that are very similar to

gentle and lowly but now it's applied to Stacey me to be with you this week. This has been an

absolute blast. We had never been on any cruise of any kind before and have just

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