Can Injectable MDMA Become the Next Biohack in 2026? RFK Jr. vs FDA – Rick Doblin : 1290
The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey
Dave Asprey
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🗓️ 12 June 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Psychedelic therapy is on the verge of reshaping mental health, trauma healing, and human consciousness. This episode reveals what’s really happening behind the scenes at the FDA, inside pharmaceutical companies, and within the global movement to legalize MDMA-assisted therapy.
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Host Dave Asprey sits down with Rick Doblin, PhD, the legendary founder of MAPS and one of the most influential figures in psychedelic science. With nearly 40 years leading clinical research on MDMA, psilocybin, and trauma healing, Rick brings unmatched insight into how these compounds are transforming functional medicine, emotional resilience, and neuroplasticity.
They break down the regulatory battle over MDMA therapy, the clash between pharmaceutical profit and public benefit, and the urgent need to combine pharmacology with therapy for real results. You’ll also learn how psychedelics impact neurohacking, epigenetics, and the default mode network—and why the next frontier of self-transformation may be couples therapy with MDMA.
This episode offers critical knowledge for anyone serious about biohacking, trauma release, mental performance, and accessing deeper states of healing. This podcast channel dives into the intersections of psychedelics with fasting, ketosis, cold therapy, and self-quantification—and how altered states can unlock more energy, better relationships, and lasting change.
You’ll Learn:
• Why separating therapy from psychedelics is the most dangerous path forward
• How MAPS evolved into a public benefit pharma company—and what went wrong
• The real story behind the FDA’s rejection of MDMA therapy in 2024
• How MDMA affects neuroplasticity, mitochondria, and trauma recovery
• Why group therapy and couples therapy are the future of psychedelic healing
• The dangers of overusing ketamine—and how it’s being exploited by profit-driven clinics
• What the Psychedelic Science 2025 conference will reveal about the future of medicine, spirituality, and consciousness hacking
• How psychedelics could reverse epigenetic trauma passed down through generations
• The role of default mode network suppression in spiritual experiences and trauma resolution
• Why the war on drugs was never about safety—and what a post-drug-war world might look like
Dave Asprey is a four-time New York Times bestselling author, founder of Bulletproof Coffee, and the father of biohacking. With over 1,000 interviews and 1 million monthly listeners, The Human Upgrade is the top podcast for people who want to take control of their biology, extend their longevity, and optimize every system in the body and mind. Each episode features cutting-edge insights in health, performance, neuroscience, supplements, nutrition, neurohacking, emotional intelligence, and conscious living.
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Timestamps:
• 00:00 Trailer
• 02:00 Intro
• 03:43 Rise of Psychedelic Pharma
• 05:00 Therapy vs. Profit
• 06:44 Neurofeedback + Psychedelics
• 08:28 Origins of Drug Laws
• 14:06 MDMA Safety + Usage
• 16:32 Psychedelics in Therapy + Meditation
• 25:18 Psychedelic Hierarchy for New Users
• 26:51 Psychedelic Churches + Culture
• 28:58 Ayahuasca: Spiritual Insights
• 30:24 MDMA and Federal Policy
• 31:09 Inside the FDA Decision
• 32:52 Therapeutic Promise of Psychedelics
• 34:43 Psychedelics + Spirituality
• 37:37 Neuroscience of Psychedelics
• 40:12 Epigenetics + Generational Trauma
• 43:50 War on Drugs Revisited
• 46:37 Future of Legalization
• 49:55 MDMA for Couples
• 51:29 Group Therapy with Psychedelics
• 52:26 Psychedelic Science 2025 Preview
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| 0:00.0 | If you've been listening to the show, you know that I just came out with my new book, |
| 0:04.8 | heavily meditated this May. It's the fast path to remove your triggers, dissolve stress, |
| 0:10.1 | and activate inner peace. Go check it out at Dave Asprey.com backslash books. |
| 0:17.8 | I think your work with MDMA has taken it out of the ecstasy party scene, and it's something that is scientifically really beautiful. |
| 0:25.8 | Psychedelic drugs, which I do not think should be criminalized. I would legalize psychedelic drugs. |
| 0:30.8 | The reality is these are medicines, which when used in a medical setting, have virtually no harm. |
| 0:36.1 | We see in the entire field right now of psychedelic pharmaceutical companies is that they |
| 0:40.7 | want to separate the drug from the therapy and to try to just be drug companies. |
| 0:45.6 | What are your thoughts on psychedelics? |
| 0:47.8 | My initial bias about psychedelic drugs is again colored by my experience of being in recovery |
| 0:53.9 | for 40 years. |
| 0:55.1 | My inclination would be to make this available at least in therapeutic settings and maybe more |
| 1:00.8 | generally, but in ways that would discourage the corporate control exploitation. |
| 1:06.0 | The real innovation was not MDMA research. |
| 1:08.7 | It was MDMA combined with therapy and that all the research shows |
| 1:12.9 | pharmacology combined with psychotherapy works better than either alone. Psychedelics have been used |
| 1:18.3 | for medicinal purposes for millennia. I'm speaking to veterans who have experienced psychedelic |
| 1:24.0 | assisted therapy and it's been a life-saving experience with the medication they've received. |
| 1:29.1 | Here in Australia, the Therapeutic Goods Administration is currently considering whether to change the |
| 1:33.5 | classification of MDMA and magic mushrooms from prohibited drugs to control drugs. |
| 1:40.2 | The latest rage is injectable MDMA. It is so much better from a user experience perspective than snorting it because you don't get the jaw tension. |
| 1:49.5 | You don't feel like a zombie the next day. |
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